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Denny Burdine Returns: The 17th Amendment, America’s Greatest Crisis — the Family

Denny Burdine · Legendary high school football and track coach · historian · Texarkana

August 27, 2026 · 59 min · ZRS 245

About this episode

Legendary high school football and track coach Denny Burdine is back. He taught AP government. He reads Madison’s notes from the Constitutional Convention — more than once, different colors. Zach says when it comes to the Federalist Papers, Denny is the most knowledgeable person he knows.

They start where Zach keeps landing: the 17th Amendment. The Founders wanted the states in the Senate. Direct election of senators cut the states out and pulled power to Washington. Denny’s picture of federalism is a solar system — the sun holds the planets. Too much pull is tyranny. Too little is anarchy.

Then the heart of it. Government was never meant to be mom and dad. When the family falls apart, the schools and the state step in and teach the kids. That is the crisis. Character used to be taught at the table. If we don’t talk about our rights there, we will lose them because nobody will remember.

From the conversation

  • When it comes to the Federalist Papers and understanding the history of our Constitution, you’re probably the most knowledgeable person I know.

    Zach

  • The 17th Amendment was a change from what the founding fathers wanted. They wanted the states to have more say in the federal government — let the state legislators elect the senators instead of letting the people do it directly.

    Denny

  • The idea of federalism is the same thing as our solar system. In the center is the sun. Evolving around it are all the planets. One thing keeps them tied together: the gravitational pull of the sun.

    Denny

  • Really the government is set up for one purpose: to protect our lives, our liberty, and our property.

    Denny

  • When the family started falling apart — and it has fallen apart — then we lose all those things. So now who teaches that to our kids? Our government.

    Denny

  • If we’re not talking about this at the dinner table with our kids, we will lose them because nobody will remember what we’re doing.

    Zach

Timestamps

  1. 0:00Church on the Rock intro
  2. 1:20Welcome Coach Burdine
  3. 3:00Jesus, dad, son
  4. 6:00Madison’s notes
  5. 8:00The 17th Amendment
  6. 12:00Federalism as a solar system
  7. 16:00Post-constitutional
  8. 20:00Life, liberty, property
  9. 25:00The family is the crisis
  10. 32:00Who teaches the kids now
  11. 38:00Capitalism and work
  12. 44:00Electoral College, not a democracy
  13. 50:00What to read
  14. 54:00Talk about it at the table
  15. 57:00Close

Transcript

Cleaned from the conversation for reading. Watch or listen for the full back-and-forth.

0:00 · Both

Show open. Then Zach brings Coach Denny Burdine back into the chair — football, track, AP government, and a man who still lives in the Founders’ notes.

1:20 · Zach

Hello and welcome to The Zach Rateliff Show. I’m Zach. This is Denny. What’s up, Coach?

1:28 · Denny

I understand totally, and I’m the same way. You know me — I’m always reading politics and government. I taught it. History is important to me, and economics. Watching the world be what it is today is very exciting, and very discouraging at times too.

3:00 · Zach

My number one principle is Jesus Christ is the answer. He’s the way to heaven. Number two is I want to be a good dad. I want to have the courage to say what a lot of these cowards won’t. Number three is I want to be a good son. I want to make my dad proud — who you’re friends with — and I want my mom proud, and I want them to say, golly, Zach will carry the torch.

5:20 · Zach

When it comes to the Federalist Papers and just understanding the history of our formation of our Constitution, you’re probably the most knowledgeable person I know about it.

6:00 · Denny

I spend a lot of time with the founding fathers and the framers. I’m reading Madison’s notes — his journal that he kept during the Constitutional Convention — at the present time.

8:00 · Zach

I keep falling back to the 17th Amendment being one of our main problems right now.

8:20 · Denny

The 17th Amendment was a change from what the founding fathers wanted. They wanted the states to have more say so in the federal government. One way to do that is to let the state legislators elect the senators instead of letting the people do it directly.

12:00 · Denny

The idea of federalism is the same thing as our solar system. In the center of our solar system is the sun, and evolving around the sun are all the planets. They’re all different. One thing keeps them tied together: the gravitational pull of the sun.

16:00 · Zach

I feel like we’re almost post-constitutional. I feel like we’re operating so far outside the bounds that if we don’t reel it in somewhere, we’ve gone astray.

20:00 · Denny

Really the government is set up for one purpose: to protect our lives, our liberty, and our property. If men were angels, we wouldn’t have governments. We wouldn’t need them.

21:10 · Zach

The purpose of a government? To maintain a marketplace and a free society where I can thrive.

25:00 · Zach

The family unit — we taught our kids character and morals and virtues. We taught them all those things at the family unit.

25:40 · Denny

When the family started falling apart, and it has fallen apart, then we lose all those things. So now who teaches that to our kids? Our government.

28:00 · Denny

Once the government controls your family, then they can do anything they want to you, and groom those kids to be what you want them to be.

29:20 · Zach

The only way to get that family back is the family. We can’t let the government be dad or mom.

38:00 · Denny

The richest nation in the history of the world got there because of capitalism.

44:00 · Zach

The founding fathers hated the idea of majoritarian vote. That’s why pure democracies are so bad.

50:00 · Denny

Read the Bible. Read the Constitution. Read the Declaration. Read the Federalist Papers. Read King’s Letter from Birmingham Jail.

54:00 · Zach

If we’re not talking about this — our rights and our expectations of what our government should do — at the dinner table with our kids, wherever we are, we will lose them because nobody will remember what we’re doing.

57:00 · Zach

Coach, thank you. We’ll get you back. There’s more Constitution to cover.

57:20 · Denny

Appreciate it. God bless.

What to read

The Bible. The Constitution. The Declaration. The Federalist Papers. King’s Letter from Birmingham Jail. Then talk about it at the table.